Rosabeth Moss Kanter on Sustainability and Profitability
It’s Saturday morning; I’m having my tea and reading an Economic Times interview with Rosabeth Moss Kanter, the renowned management expert and Ernest L Arbuckle Professor of Business Administration at Harvard Business School. I have included exerpts from the interview here because I agree with much of what she says, in particular her comment that principles and profitability are not necessarily antithetical (I tend to think of them as symbiotic). I do think that there are other, better examples of the mutually reinforcing nature of principles and profit than the P&G example she gave—think Seventh Generation, IceStone, Equal Exchange. The questions of the interviewer are in regular typeface, Professor Kanter’s answers in italics:
What do you think is changing – human nature of the nature of business?
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As far as the nature of business goes, there is nothing inherent in the idea of profit, which says you have to make it in ways that violate social norms or that it has to come only in the short term. That’s the nature of the financial systems that are erected around the business and they can be dismantled. So we can change the rules as we have in the past.
I think companies with values are more sustainable in the long run because they are willing to make short-term trade-offs in the interest of longer-term benefits. It’s like what Winston Churchill said about democracy, ‘It’s the worst system we could imagine, except for all the others’.
Do you think the present financial crisis will change the way we do business? Will there be a movement towards responsible leadership?
I hope so and actually I think it will. Not today or tomorrow, but hopefully by the end of August, when people will be ready for that message. Because you can demonstrate that the surviving companies with good reputations and high sense of values are also profitable and that gets people’s attention.
The rising generation is much more socially conscious and idealistic, and also somewhat angry. They are not going to stand for these practices and they now have new communication tools. So there is a big generational effect that’s going to help. And the problems of the world are much more apparent to people now. There is more pressure and interest in solving these big problems, and business has the capabilities. It’s really about a better way to run a company that pervades all aspects of business because when you begin with values and principles, you use them to assess what you do.
You speak of values-led capitalism. In these difficult times, can one realistically expect values to prevail over profits?
It does not have to be principles over profits. In fact, principles often get you profits because the bank in Brazil (Banco Real) that walks away from customers who didn’t pass muster on their environmental and social loan selection criterion, had the customers coming back to them with a plea to help them comply. They also got new customers who said this is where we would like to put our money.
There is evidence that these two put together work very well. P&G had a product that they thought was a wonderful way to make a difference in the world, something the poor could really afford and needed. It’s a water purification sachet called ‘PuR’, and it turns out they couldn’t make a business out of it.
There was a big argument in the company to pull the plug on the product but people said ‘we can’t do that because of our values’ and this is important for poor people. So they set up a nonprofit organisation and gave the sachet to it, and they got enormous goodwill from other partners, like NGOs and governments.
After the tsunami, the demand for sachets was such that warehouses were emptied. So they recovered the cost but value to them came in employee commitment, demonstrating their values to the customers, and in many other ways.
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When you do have a handful of companies practicing values-based capitalism, what is it about their culture that allows them to foster such values?
It has to start with the leaders. I remember being criticized as a sociologist years ago because I had to fall back on explanations involving individual leaders. But it does begin with leaders. New CEOs who take over have a sense of obligation to the country in which they operate. Leaders like Lorenzo Zambrano of Cemex, who wasn’t the founder but had the feeling that his company had to meet the highest standards. High standards are really something that these companies have in common, but to just talk about values misses the point. They aspire to be the best, one can call it ambition but then values mean being the best on multiple dimensions.
These companies are responding to the leaders and they are also responding to the times and these companies are much more in touch with their various stakeholders. They take in the feedback. If you are listening to a range of various stakeholders, you are much more likely to be sensitive to them. You are less likely to use a corporate jet when you are going for a handout.
In good times, everyone was a good leader. But now when the tide has ebbed, lots of people seem to be swimming naked. Are a lot of good leaders making bad decisions or they were not such good leaders to begin with?
They weren’t too good to begin with. I have no trouble in saying they don’t deserve a disproportionate share of wealth because they didn’t necessarily have to work very hard. I think they were probably okay, but not geniuses, and the times were good.
Social psychologists called it the fundamental attribution error: in examining the behaviour of others, people exaggerate the role of internal causes and invoke traits as a primary cause. They were lucky to be presiding in good times when the companies had a lot of momentum, and they also had a lot of smart people working for them.
Read the full interview at http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/Interview/Rosabeth-Moss-Kanter-Professor-Harvard-Biz-School/articleshow/4289927.cms